Of Heros and villains (OOC)

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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Snowshoe » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:18 pm

Kage rewrite
Alright, I've swapped out most of the things I had above. I've worked him out so he fits the Plot better, and I hope I've addressed the issues you've had with him. Here we go:
Nobody knows about him- I've changed his powers a bit. Kage being able to attack someone in their dream is much more of a way for him to get at non supers than it is as a viable way to kill someone. 

No movement without him knowing- with the changes I've made to the shades, he isn't omnipotent. He can only see what his shade sees.

Nobody knows where he is- I've moved him into an abandoned subway tunnel. To be more specific, he's been locked in a maintenance room. At the very least, blueprints would show where such a tunnel would be. He can't break out, since he can't move anything and he isn't particularly powerful physically, but anybody with an interest could break in easily. He might do something rash like, say, try to attack a super, get his ass handed to him, and that super would find out where he is.

He can't be hurt- I've fleshed out (get it?) the shades more. They're much more physically based than before, and they can be killed pretty easily. They have to move from place to place, so they can't just appear, but they also can't be trapped. They start out pretty weak after Kage creates them, but they grow stronger fairly quickly. Even at fully grown, they wouldn't be able to take anybody in a fist fight.

I added something else as well, not sure how well this'll go, but here it is.
Kage was present at the spill, and gained his less evil abilities, being able to insert himself into people's dreams, and being able to create illusions. The thing that gives him his other powers, such as the shades, is a darker thing, a sort of parasite. Think venom from spiderman. This thing is what allows him to create shades, as well as the evil part of his character. Explaining exactly what it does would take a while, so I'll summarize. It basically latches onto someone, and takes control of them. Kage is in control of his body, but this thing is what controls his powers. Anybody who busts the door down could force it out of him (if they were good guys), or else nab it (and optionally him) to do whatever they want with. The good guys gain an ally, the bad guys (whichever one finds him) gain an augment to one of their powers. Assuming he escapes with the parasite still in him, he could either join the baddies or operate solo.
That work? Now people have an incentive to find him, and once he gets freed he loses the shades. he's not an insurmountable enemy anymore, and wants to get out. Tell me if I need to change more, but to summarize:
Catacombs are gone
Trapped in subway maintenance room
shades are easy to kill
Loses shades when found, as well as evil alignment

Essentially, while he's trapped in the subway, the shade IS Kage, and character interactions with the shade also affect Kage.


Tell me if I need to make further changes.
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby aires163 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:13 pm

The only thing missing is why he is locked in the maintenance room in the first place. But that could be summed up with some sort of man VS. self type of conflict. Other than that I personally do not have a problem with it. You have my vote for joining in.

EDIT: I think since these shades are supposedly easy to kill wouldn't they have something that makes them a bit more dangerous? Like, lets say maybe some sort of shadow blade for an arm. Im not saying that you HAVE to use this, its just an idea.
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Snowshoe » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:59 am

I was thinking they'd get stronger over time, but id cap it somewhere.
So I'm good to go?
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Buzzwolf » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:32 am

It's less the character for me at this point, than it is that we have to come find him...there's no reasoning why he's in there, why he's still alive for that matter, and in reality, no one knows about the parasite (and I think you're still missing the whole 'chemical spill gives powers' bit, i'm not even sure how the parasite fits into all of this), and has no reason other than he's annoying people in their dreams and one some how links that back to where he is...personally, if you're gonna go with 'trapped underground' and ya have mental powers, pull the bait and lure trick, it always works on heroes to come release the 'helpless super' trapped far below. there's just no feasible solution to having them simply 'come find you' because of a parasite they know nothing of or otherwise.

and if it's shadow puppets, aires, he'd probably have the advantage of numbers as opposed to strength more than anything.

as far as I'm concerned, the character himself isn't bad, just how you plan to bring him in just doesn't make much sense to me...neither does the parasite thing, but hell, that might be interesting so why not...
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Black Garuga » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:55 am

Ok, so now I have come up with some stuff that Jack might be able to use, just let me know what you think about it so I can plan them into the story arc for Jack.

His weapon could be a pair of gauntlets, which are imbued with the power to transform to fit the power of the wielder ( Basically because Jack still has the power of poison ,which he cannot outwardly use, the gauntlets take that and turn into vicious claws dripping with potent poison. Obviously the poison only works if the opponent is directly wounded by the user but the poison manifests and works slowly, sapping stamina while the afflicted slowly loses the strength to fight, this normally is achieved over a period of hours if the poison is not cured.)

The armor is a little more subtle, it is not made from steel or cloth in any form, it is made from a chemical solution which surrounds the body of the user and protects them from poison, bleeding, fatigue and psychic attack, but is more susceptible to physical attacks by double the amount. The visual representation of this is a collection of transparent plates which cling to the body, with the occasional thorns protruding from the plates.

These Items are pretty much identical to Black's powers, but in physical form and can be used by ANYONE. Now, the reason why Jack uses these items is because he got what he wanted, to be separate from Black so they can live out their lives, but he still wishes to fight, so pretty much, they are both two separate beings, but with the same powers as one-another.

I hope that these are acceptable to be used, I did add disadvantages to both to make them fair enough in my opinion.
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Buzzwolf » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:17 am

Black, I'm gonna be honest, you need to figure out where you're going with your character, you started with a 'monster' type using power and poison, now you're trying to split the personalities apart but keep the powers, even though the split personality was what made him 'evil', and now your trying to bring in psycho-armor and stretch the believability further...

making it a something 'anyone' can wield, doesn't make it a 'weakness', it makes it armor. and all this sudden toss up over 'wieldable powers' is gonna get on my nerves, I can already see it...it's gonna turn into a big fight over who can get the most armor and weapons rather than heroes and villains... I don't wanna see this thing turn into a mess of a total free for all with the objective just to steal each others 'pieces of power'

also...post was a bit long...sorry...kinda got carried away after I figured out how I was gonna do the finishing touches on the arc XP
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Snowshoe » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:55 pm

The shades are one at a time.
I didnt really realize what complete shit the parasite sounds like until I explained it, but it does work in writing. Ill cut that part out. I think you might be mssing the whole "people are being killed in their sleep" part. It does do anything to supers, just normal people, hence why the god guys will be looking for him.
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Buzzwolf » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:17 pm

ah, see, I thought you were gonna have multiple fighters at once, giving the reasoning they wouldn't stand a chance in a fist fight

and I thought you'd been saying he couldn't kill anyone in their sleep without being there in person? and it still really doesn't explain how or why he ended up down in the abandoned subway maintence room in the first place...and I'm not certain how a super beating him in a dream would give away his location...if ya got a explaination and plan for that then by all means go for it
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Snowshoe » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:59 pm

You had to go and name a guy Kane right before Kage shows up? Thief =P
I'll clear up Kage's backstory later, promise.
I'm going to go ahead and bring him in. All the fighting at the plant seems like the perfect thing to wake him up. That and, you know, everyone dying. Plenty of pain.
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Buzzwolf » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:16 pm

Sorry bout that mate, completely slipped past me there ^^; Kane's a character I've had designed for awhile, this is just the first time he's been put into play...

And for the record...it's a laboratory, not a chemical plant, think sorta like the umbrella corp 'hive' for a better idea...little more open though...
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Snowshoe » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:42 pm

Just been seeing the term plant, so I've been using it. I'll use lab if it makes you feel better.
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Black Garuga » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:48 pm

Fair enough Buzz, to be perfectly honest though, I have been playing far too much skyrim, so that might have influenced me a little bit on that post there.
As for Jack's character, I think I will take some time to one side at some point to sort out his story considerably, because so far it has kinda been inprov, so it's all over the place, which is NOT helpful for me or you guys at all :/

so yeah, I'll just be chillin' until I come up with a satisfactory goal for Jack to achieve.
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby aires163 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:42 pm

I have a question Buzz. That anti matter burst thing, is it limited to just the lab that will be wiped out, or is it the whole city?
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Buzzwolf » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:16 pm

It hasn't actually gone off yet, just so everyone knows not to post abou a bigass explosion, but I'm planning on having it level the facility and leave a football station sized crater where neosuns is now
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Re: Of Heros and villains (OOC)

Postby Snowshoe » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:34 pm

I think a football stadium sized hole is still going to mushroom cloud fairly dramatically. That's an awful lot of concrete to blow a hole in. Is this going to blow cinderblocks into nearby houses, or is it just going to vaporize the facility?
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